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chinese government gave to this and

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more than a hundred thousand

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correlation coefficients of everything

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being related everything else and then

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we were trying to sort out you know what

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was statistically significant not and

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then you take it a step further

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exploring these individual trees and

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in a sense and so these are just a list

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of some of the relationships that we

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a little bit reductionist

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that i'm sort of criticized in a sense

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i mean to understand how these these

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relationships

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really work is helpful because it it

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tends to set the mosaic

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is all published stuff so we had the

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advantage of you know having our peers

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just a couple of observations from that

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it turns out that the blood questionable

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something like that but to look at any

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possible correlation going from let's

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china they're mostly consuming

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that one here out consume more calories

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that's worth a couple of seminars but

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it's the way we actually metabolize and

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experience the use of these calories um

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that that really matters so here's

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heresy that rose from the china study

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on all this information but um basically

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ways relatively small intakes of

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animal-based foods are associated with

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the secret there you have it

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stuff you don't get into this particular

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you know involving multiple different

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kinds of diseases involving the

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convergence you know of nutrient

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giving us some evidence what that

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context was all about

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the vast majority of those things i

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cause infections socially favored

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nutrient composition plant-based foods

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is key here at whole foods i'm not

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talking about taking the nutrients out

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of plants and putting them in a pill

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of people think yes nutrition that's

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pharmacology in my mind that's not not

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really nutrition but in any case um

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address that question concerning

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nutrient supplements for which there's

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the last 20 30 years everybody takes our

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nutrient supplements in the hope of

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that that's questionable to even assume

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single nutrient and throw it into our

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recent one involved in 58 different

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studies over the past 15 years or so are

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making conclusions they don't work i

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no evidence to support antioxidant

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supplements prevent mortality you can

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see it for yourself beta-carotene

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vitamin a vitamin and now we can add

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some more like omega-3s

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those kinds of supplements that people

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of the magic tricks that people think

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they're not working they actually can

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nutrients along the way and so now it

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together with my son who at the time was

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a graduate in theater he was an actor in

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chicago good good writer got him to help

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me to write uh he's now in medical

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school by the way i had to give him

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this information that we're learning

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the experimental studies how is this

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others and colleagues maybe that haven't

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personally as probably any anyone in in

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own studies um and so i could go i've

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arthritis and osteoporosis and different

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diseases as far as the diet is concerned

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chance to get into that what do you

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preventing these diseases

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that it has this very broad effect of

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all kinds of on all kinds of illnesses

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advanced stages we can see results

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cabinet locks the keys they're not going

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medications they'd go into hypoglycemic

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diseases obviously some of them very

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serious other sort of nuisance kind of

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think

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it also promotes physical fitness

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i that might seem a bit odd but i've

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worked with some world-class athletes

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including one fellow who is the all-pro

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and for the kansas city chiefs is going

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to be in the hall of fame he's he holds

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the all-time record most touchdowns most

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large game i mean he a couple years i

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got the book because he was saw somebody

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on the plane using it he decided to